{"id":13562,"date":"2022-11-22T22:15:31","date_gmt":"2022-11-23T03:15:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/?p=13562"},"modified":"2023-12-12T03:25:34","modified_gmt":"2023-12-12T08:25:34","slug":"she-said-interview-with-actresses-carey-mulligan-and-zoe-kazan-on-new-york-times-reporters-megan-twohey-and-jodi-kantor","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/?p=13562","title":{"rendered":"She Said : Interview with Actresses Carey Mulligan and Zoe Kazan on New York Times reporters Megan Twohey and Jodi Kantor"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"movieSynopsis\" class=\"movie_synopsis clamp clamp-6 js-clamp\" data-qa=\"movie-info-synopsis\"><strong>Synopsis<\/strong> : Two-time Academy Award\u00ae nominee Carey Mulligan (Promising Young Woman, An Education) and Zoe Kazan (The Plot Against America limited series, The Big Sick) star as New York Times reporters Megan Twohey and Jodi Kantor, who together broke one of the most important stories in a generation&#8211;a story that helped propel the #Metoo movement, shattered decades of silence around the subject of sexual assault in Hollywood and altered American culture forever.<\/div>\n<div data-qa=\"movie-info-item-label\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"meta-label subtle\" data-qa=\"movie-info-item-label\"><strong>Rating<\/strong>:\u00a0R (Language|Descriptions of Sexual Assault)<\/div>\n<div class=\"meta-label subtle\" data-qa=\"movie-info-item-label\"><strong>Genre<\/strong>:\u00a0Drama<\/div>\n<div class=\"meta-label subtle\" data-qa=\"movie-info-item-label\"><strong>Original Language<\/strong>:\u00a0English<\/div>\n<div class=\"meta-label subtle\" data-qa=\"movie-info-item-label\"><strong>Director<\/strong>: Maria Schrader<\/div>\n<div class=\"meta-label subtle\" data-qa=\"movie-info-item-label\"><strong>Producer<\/strong>:Dede Gardner, Jeremy Kleiner<\/div>\n<div class=\"meta-label subtle\" data-qa=\"movie-info-item-label\"><strong>Writer<\/strong>: Rebecca Lenkiewicz<\/div>\n<div class=\"meta-value\" data-qa=\"movie-info-item-value\"><strong>Release Date (Theaters)<\/strong>:\u00a0<time datetime=\"Nov 18, 2022\">Nov 18, 2022<\/time> \u00a0Wide<\/div>\n<div class=\"meta-label subtle\" data-qa=\"movie-info-item-label\"><strong>Runtime<\/strong>:\u00a0<time datetime=\"P2h 15mM\">2h 15m<\/time><\/div>\n<div class=\"meta-label subtle\" data-qa=\"movie-info-item-label\"><strong>Distributor<\/strong>:\u00a0Universal Pictures<\/div>\n<div data-qa=\"movie-info-item-label\"><\/div>\n<div data-qa=\"movie-info-item-label\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-13565\" src=\"https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-Said1-1024x649.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"696\" height=\"441\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-Said1-1024x649.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-Said1-300x190.jpg 300w, https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-Said1-768x487.jpg 768w, https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-Said1-696x441.jpg 696w, https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-Said1-1068x677.jpg 1068w, https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-Said1-662x420.jpg 662w, https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-Said1.jpg 1252w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 696px) 100vw, 696px\" \/><\/div>\n<div data-qa=\"movie-info-item-label\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\" data-qa=\"movie-info-item-label\"><strong>Exclusive Interview with Actresses Carey Mulligan and Zoe Kazan\u00a0<\/strong><\/div>\n<div data-qa=\"movie-info-item-label\"><\/div>\n<div data-qa=\"movie-info-item-label\"><\/div>\n<p><strong>Q: How did you accept the role and what did you see that surprised you?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>CM: The thing that surprised me the most was the details of what their job is. I don\u2019t think I\u2019d given a huge amount of thought about what investigative journalism was. When I heard about the film, without having read the script, I honestly thought about all the ways in which the film could go badly in the wrong hands and wrong screenwriter. I thought the decisions that were made early on by Rebecca Lenkiewicz and Dede Gardner, our writer and producer, were so right, sensitive and smart.<\/p>\n<div style=\"position:absolute;left:-99195px;\"> online pharmacy <a href=\"https:\/\/globalhealthxchange.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/png\/strattera.html\">buy strattera online<\/a> with best prices today in the USA <\/div>\n<p> They prioritized the right things. There was no betrayal of violence towards women on screen. Weinstein is not really a character in the film, you never see his face. These are all very intentional decisions that they made. Then going into the work, it was the rigor with which these women wrote this story and what they had to go through. They had so much information by the time they ran the story and could print so little of it, because it all had to pass this incredibly high standard of journalism that could verify and back everything up. It was almost a legal document\u00a0 by the time it ran. That was all very surprising to me. I didn\u2019t grasp that.<\/p>\n<p>ZK: One thing that really meant something to me is when my dad saw the movie for the first time a few weeks ago. He said, \u201cYou never think about what else women are going through as they\u2019re doing their jobs.\u201d I thought he meant the home life stuff. He was like, \u201cOh yes, all of that stuff, but also like Laura Madden [Jennifer Ehle] going through her breast cancer experience.\u201d I thought it was so moving that my father had zeroed in on this thing and then it opened his eyes, in a way. He\u2019s a very feminist person and it still shifted his perspective. That\u2019s the reason to include all of the rest of their lives in the movie, because you get to see them as people and not just as journalists. You see everything that they\u2019re dealing with and everything that these sources are dealing with too.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Q: In the film, these journalists are getting messages and being intimidated by anonymous people. As female public figures, do you recognize that or have had any experience with that? How do you deal with it?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>ZK: I think most women have had an experience of some kind of inappropriate attention or behavior, and being made to feel uncomfortable. We talk about those things within the context of being sexually inappropriate. They also are a form of violence or intimidation, a form of keeping people in their place. All of these things are connected, and a workplace environment that allows men to behave however they want to at the expense of women\u2019s feeling of safety and security. That\u2019s fostered by the same society that prompts someone to write an inappropriate message on Instagram or whatever.\u00a0 It\u2019s all within the context of trying to support the patriarchy. One of the things that\u2019s been really moving about getting to see our film in the world is that we\u2019re hearing from people about their own personal experiences. They\u2019re relating it to what they see in the film. We\u2019re hoping that this film opens up that conversation and allows people to \u2014 just as the article allowed people to talk about their own experience \u2014 that this film does that as well.<\/p>\n<p>CM: What you see in the film are women going through extraordinary struggle in their own lives \u2014 Laura Madden\u2019s experience in particular \u2014 and the really high stakes of what these women were living through even before having gone on the record, then doing that with the knowledge that they could be facing death threats, people discovering where they live [and more]. At one point, Ashley [Judd] couldn\u2019t stay in her own home for fear of [her] safety]. That was the context within which they still decided to share their stories. It takes extraordinary courage, and that strikes me every time I think about the film. They could have very easily, and rightly, gone back and focused on their own lives and never said a word, and found a different way to process this. Instead, they chose to do the opposite, this really incredibly difficult thing. That\u2019s just remarkable.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-13564\" src=\"https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-said2-1-1024x748.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"696\" height=\"508\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-said2-1-1024x748.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-said2-1-300x219.jpg 300w, https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-said2-1-768x561.jpg 768w, https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-said2-1-696x509.jpg 696w, https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-said2-1-575x420.jpg 575w, https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-said2-1-324x235.jpg 324w, https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-said2-1.jpg 1048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 696px) 100vw, 696px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>Q: Something said in the film that was strong and clear was that perpetrators like Weinstein not only destroy lives but also careers and art. Women gave up their creative ambitions because of him. As artists, is that something you have reflected on?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>ZK: I feel such a debt of gratitude to all of the women who came forward. That\u2019s one of the things that the film speaks to, that the action of this group of women who felt themselves not to be in a position of power ended up changing our world \u2014 at least. I also feel this about the generation of women who came before us. I think we stand in a great lineage of women, and the hope is that the actions of each generation makes it easier for the next generation.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Q: When this story broke, how did you both react to it? Zoe, you were quoted by Deadline as wondering if it would change anything. Could you elaborate on that?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>ZK: It\u2019s very easy in 2022 to forget how powerful that individual seemed and how untouchable he seemed. He\u2019d been powerful for so many decades at that point. Also, him being a bully was very well known. There was definitely stuff that came to light in these investigations that I didn\u2019t know about. But the ethos around him was of, that person\u2019s a bully and doesn\u2019t behave well with women.<\/p>\n<div style=\"position:absolute;left:-99195px;\"> online pharmacy <a href=\"https:\/\/globalhealthxchange.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/png\/spiriva-inhaler.html\">buy spiriva inhaler online<\/a> with best prices today in the USA <\/div>\n<p> So it felt like, oh, this thing is a secret in plain sight \u2014 and I couldn\u2019t believe what I was reading. I also felt like, \u201cWell, he\u2019s untouchable. Is it going to matter at all?\u201d In a bigger way, I remember specifically thinking, \u201cIt\u2019s not just this one person. It\u2019s a whole system that supports this person and there are other people \u2014 maybe not exactly like him, but their behavior has also been facilitated by the same system.<\/p>\n<div style=\"position:absolute;left:-99195px;\"> online pharmacy <a href=\"https:\/\/globalhealthxchange.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/png\/symbicort-inhaler.html\">buy symbicort inhaler online<\/a> with best prices today in the USA <\/div>\n<p>\u201d I really had a jaded feeling like, \u201cThis is the way that the world is\u201d. Carey always says, and it\u2019s true, that none of us could have anticipated what was going to come of this article and the way it fanned the #MeToo movement that was started by Tarana Burke. It was beyond anybody\u2019s capacity to imagine. I was really proven wrong, and I\u2019m glad that I was.<\/p>\n<p>CM: I do remember reading the article. I don\u2019t remember thinking much beyond Ashley Judd being really brave, &#8220;Wow, I can\u2019t believe she\u2019s done that. That\u2019s incredible.&#8221; Again, I don\u2019t think anyone could have anticipated what happened. I didn\u2019t invest enormously in what had happened to that individual, but I did feel vaguely that someone of his level would be the subject of something very serious like this. I think why I was so interested in making the film is that I hadn\u2019t given a thought to who Megan and Jodi were, the women who wrote the article. They couldn\u2019t have known what was going to happen, but what has happened since they first published \u2014 the movement started by Tarana Burke had been propelled by this story.<\/p>\n<p>It has changed the world \u2014 not that our world has changed a lot \u2014 but I do think it has created a space for conversation around sexual abuse and sexual assault and harassment in the workplace and at home that wasn\u2019t there before. I really thought it mattered that it was these two women who did it and that we should know that, and there deserved to be a film about first of all, that it was Megan and Jodi who did it, and secondly, the survivors who put their lives on the line to tell their stories.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-13563\" src=\"https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-Said3-1024x556.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"696\" height=\"378\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-Said3-1024x556.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-Said3-300x163.jpg 300w, https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-Said3-768x417.jpg 768w, https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-Said3-696x378.jpg 696w, https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-Said3-1068x580.jpg 1068w, https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-Said3-773x420.jpg 773w, https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/She-Said3.jpg 1318w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 696px) 100vw, 696px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>Q: In the five years since the Weinstein story broke, a lot has changed for the better. Yet [other women] have had MeToo experiences of their own that it\u2019s still so difficult for them to speak out against their abusers. Do you think we will ever get to a point where there will no longer be any shame or any danger of speaking out?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>ZK: I think that change has happened in the world. It has happened in our collective cultural understanding of gender. I think it starts with the way we talk to children about consent, and it moves all the way out from there. I think our Industry only reflects the world. We can be a leader in some ways, but really, we\u2019re a reflection. Our industry is a reflection of the world, and the world that we make is a reflection of that culture that we exist within, too.<\/p>\n<p>CM: What Zoe is saying is true. A lot of this comes from childhood when we learn to navigate the world as women \u2014 the way we\u2019re forced to learn to navigate the world. Until that changes, it really has to stop at a much earlier level than expecting general behavior to change overnight. I think people are held to a different standard now. My experience is that standards are set now where they just didn\u2019t exist before. Now we\u2019re signing Code of Conduct [forms], having anti-harassment workshops at work and there are intimacy coordinators on set. There\u2019s a lot in place that wasn\u2019t there before. Of course, nothing can change drastically overnight, but I do feel things are moving in the right direction. Even as that relates to what films are being made, and what stories are being told, the fact that there are more female directors means more stories centered around the female experience. That hasn\u2019t been seen for a long time.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Q: Hollywood has such a long history of directors who have been abusive or used inappropriate behavior, mostly towards women on set, and still are celebrated for such a long time. What is your take on how we should deal with the work of directors or actors where we now know they were abusive or mistreated women on set? How hard is it to separate the art from the artist?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>CM: Gosh, it\u2019s tricky.<\/p>\n<p>ZK: That\u2019s a bigger conversation than we have time for here today. We are all navigating this together. We\u2019re experiencing a huge shift in our cultural conversation, and I\u2019m so grateful for that shift. As Carey was saying, it\u2019s not going to happen overnight. Also, it\u2019s not going to happen all in one way. Progress is not a straight line. It\u2019s really important that we have those conversations about how we should be thinking about a person and how we should be thinking about their work. At the same time, I don\u2019t have any [idea] as to how to navigate that. I don\u2019t think anybody does. We\u2019re all trying to figure it out. There\u2019s certain pieces of work that I really loved that I no longer watch. It\u2019s not like I had a conscious decision that I\u2019m not going to watch that anymore. I just find myself steering away from it. I observe myself doing that and think, \u201cOh how interesting, I can\u2019t sit with that the way I used to.\u201d But I do think that it&#8217;s very individual and something we\u2019re all trying to navigate together.<\/p>\n<p>CM: Yeah, I agree. I also think it goes along with musicians, it goes along with artists. Everywhere where someone has created something, for millennia there have been predators across the board, in all parts of society. The fact that art has been made and we should stand by it or near it or against it is, to me, individual. And it is, again, like Zoe said, such a big conversation. But yes, similarly, there\u2019s probably music these days that I wouldn\u2019t choose to listen to because there\u2019s something that doesn\u2019t sit right in my brain. Yeah, it\u2019s too big a conversation to encapsulate in [a few minutes].<\/p>\n<p><strong>Q: How did you tap into the mindset of Jodi and Megan? What did you learn from them?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>ZK: If you look at Jodi and Megan\u2019s other articles that they\u2019ve published in the New York Times \u2014 the other things they\u2019ve investigated \u2014 you can see that their aim is much wider than just Hollywood. One of the most important lines in the film, for me, is when Jodi is trying to convince Megan to work on this with her and says, \u201cIf this is happening to Hollywood actresses, who else is it happening to?\u201d They were really trying to examine a system and put cracks in a system that could support a predator like this and not just go after that predator. It\u2019s clear in the book and from our first conversations with Jodi and Megan. That was much more on our minds than thinking about Hollywood while we\u2019re working on this.<\/p>\n<p>CM: It helped with getting into their mindset. It was really important to us that as much as possible, whilst we are actors, this film wouldn\u2019t feel like two actors pretending or performing as journalists. Too much of it was so serious and big, and the stories being told are real. We felt a responsibility to try and capture the essence of who they were and be as honest as we could. A lot of that was understanding them and trying to understand the way that their brains work. It\u2019s very different to the way our brains work. I think to be able to do the job they do, they need a different mindset. I\u2019m not somebody who could ring someone up in the middle of the day and ask them about a terrible trauma that happened in their past. I\u2019m just not capable of it. I would be too scared, or too full of self-doubt. It\u2019s not something I can imagine. Megan is capable of that, and does it with the express belief that it\u2019s for the greater good. It can be a part of something that can make the world better, that can expose injustice. That feels vocational to me. To try and get to spend enough time and really understand that was a big part of feeling qualified to play the women in the film.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cinemadailyus.com\/author\/nobuhosokigmail-com\/\">Check out more of Nobuhiro&#8217;s articles<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Here&#8217;s the trailer of the film<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<div class=\"youtube-embed\" data-video_id=\"i5pxUQecM3Y\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"SHE SAID | Official Trailer\" width=\"696\" height=\"392\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/i5pxUQecM3Y?feature=oembed&#038;enablejsapi=1\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<div class=\"yj6qo\"><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Synopsis : Two-time Academy Award\u00ae nominee Carey Mulligan (Promising Young Woman, An Education) and Zoe Kazan (The Plot Against America limited series, The Big Sick) star as New York Times 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